MAX MCGEE'S PROFILE

yes, this game, this one, put it in inside of me

See, there's a disconnect here because you guys are getting your facts from sources that are either biased (Social Justice compromised) or have not done their research (mainstream media). This is a HUGE PROBLEM and it reminds me of nothing so much as when I was trying to talk about global warming with people who get their news from Fox News. They just don't have access to facts and it makes the conversation feel impossible.

I know some of the things she's done. She "cheated on her boyfriend (I've heard conflicting stories, some say they were on "break" when it happened and other accounts say that it's a thing that happened a lot).

Full account of her infidelity here. In her own words, by her own definition, she is a rapist. So that's nice.

She called out (harrassed?) some organization that was supporting women because they were dismissive of transgender women.

They were DDOS'd and/or DOXed as a direct result of her actions. Oh yeah, and they are not TERFs. Like, at all. So there's that, too. She attacked other game jams and events by the way.

She made a game about Depression that some people don't think is very good and is profiting from it massively even though it is freeware.

DQuest was entered into fests (and won) that were judged by a woman that was another person Zoe was having sex with, in addition to and separately from Five Guys Burgers & Fries. Does that strike you as a tiny little bit of a conflict of interest?

Lemme know if you want to see "evidence" (I put evidence in scare quotes because it's the internets not a court of law) of this stuff by the way.

Now I have to admit I hate Gamergate. I hate it quite a bit.

Well anyway, my main point is that people like SargonofAkkad and Thunderf00t and James Desborough are what I consider to be the voice of #GamerGate. Not sociopathic 15 year old trolls flinging misogynistic abuse to get people riled up.

By and large these are people that have problems with actions taken by specific women or who critique arguments made by specific women. That is not the same as misogyny which is a hatred for all women. And that's the distinction we need to make.

You do realize these people often can't go to their homes. Can't see any of their friends. Their friends and family members, anyone who knew them in high school are targeted and harassed frequently. Not sure who but I've heard that at least one person's dog was injured or killed. Any venues they attend are often threatened with shootings and bombings or other violence. They have friends and family member have the cops called on them with the intention of the cops breaking into the home and causing injury to those inside.

If you actually believe this, you are being taken in. What is colloquially called on the internet a "White Knight" and in the real world "a sucker". I am trying to be hyperbolically civil here (because I still get the impression that my conduct is being held to a higher standard than everyone else's due to the opinions I hold), so I'm not posting any kind of insulting shorthand meme image but you get the idea. I'll just speak plainly: you have been fooled, you are being fooled.

And nobody's dog was injured, what the hell? That's so fucked up I'm sure I would have heard of it. I've never even heard that one before. At all.

EDIT: Okay, apparently her dog got sick and somebody DOX'D her...vet? Yeah, that's fucking awful and retarded. Don't do that. But it's not like someone attacked her dog.

My understanding is that her 'assault' on the FYC was her tweeting a few times that she didn't like them and disagreeing about the method of payment or lack thereof of how participants would be paid for their work, and saying she did not think they should be supported. Clearly she is an evil witch who commands a vast cabal of wicked SJW warriors who shut down a game jam just because she could.

No, what really happened is they said a mean lady said bad things about them! And #GG immediately took that and ran with it.

Your understanding is wrong. This is not an accurate summary of what happened, Soli, but like a Fox News viewer you are getting your facts from a fact-free zone so I'm not sure what can be done to convince you.

I will repeat, though:

TFYC were DDOS'd and/or DOXed as a direct result of her actions. Oh yeah, and TFYC are not TERFs.

Please tell me what your vendetta against Zoe Quinn has to do with corruption in game journalism again?

I don't have a vendetta against Zoe Quinn.

Actual corruption going on in The Zoe Post which started the #GamerGate firestorm? Like none.

Corruption and collusion that has arisen in obvious and "in-your-face" ways since #GamerGate began? Impossible to miss.

There was that moment when like twelve gaming websites simultaneously made articles insisting that the Gamer identity was dead, for instance. That's probably the most conspicuous indication that the gaming press has been massively compromised by social justice warriors with nothing but disdain for people who actually play videogames.

Connection between Zoe Quinn and actual corruption?

• Zoe slept with not one but TWO people from the judges panel of one contest she won. One of whom was her PR girl and the other helped her attack the Polaris game jam.
• That same PR girl was a judge on ANOTHER contest where Zoe made the finals
• Her PR girl fucked the CEO of that contest
• The games that were finalists in both contests were either represented by or made by the people judging the contest
• The news outlets who later reported that there was no conflict of interests there were also represented by them

Important, because it matters to Social Justice types. This video represents the perspective of a disabled woman.

Now here's the disclaimer that I think needs to be made for the sake of sanity. I think that the corruption in the indie gaming journalism scene that is so sadly provable is a drop in the bucket compared to the corruption in mainstream AAA games journalism that #GamerGate obviously has a problem giving enough shits about.

Sure, there are good people within the group - no one is arguing to the contrary - but the majority who are seen and vocal and put themselves forward as representatives of the group are, to a one, fuckheads. Pure and simple. I have yet to see a good GamerGater (that is not on this site). Full stop. I know they must exist because a group is never just one type of person (even Nazis and Neo-Nazis must have a few good peeps in there) but for the life of me I've not seen a one. The only ones who have been out and about slinging around the GG name are abusive, harrassing fucktards. Yup.

Sure, there are good people within Social Justice - no one is arguing to the contrary - but the majority who are seen and vocal and put themselves forward as representatives of the group are, to a one, fuckheads. Pure and simple. I have yet to see a good SJW (that is not on this site). Full stop. I know they must exist because a group is never just one type of person (even Nazis and Neo-Nazis must have a few good peeps in there) but for the life of me I've not seen a one. The only ones who have been out and about slinging around the SJ name are abusive, harrassing fucktards. Yup.

@Trihan: Your assessment is actually pretty reasonable. FWIW, there is a video that Eron posted that shows pretty clearly that the logs are undoctored. I have no doubt that Eron's post is 100% factual. Additionally, it is important to note that he does NOT accuse Zoe of corruption. Just of being a horrible person. Which, you know, she is.

author=kentona
Max, you were not "(wrongly) banne"

At this point, it seems clear enough that we're gonna keep agreeing to disagree on that one either until you change your mind or forever, Kentona. At least unless people who were operating with the same level of non-civility from the other side of the debate get a belated two-week ban. : )

But the moment where I say "u know kentona u were right" is not ever, ever going to happen. Because you weren't right, man.

Game that came from the jam what is referenced by this post, btw: Bright Future. My subscribers may want to check it out for future subscribings.

Oh, and Scary. You are right. I know that technically I'm my own boss and I can work on whatever I want whenever I want. So I shouldn't whine so much. But I do try to at least feel like I'm beholden to my audience to a degree because if I just freely pinball bounce between projects that catch my interest I will literally never get anything done.

Also, I like to imagine (for my sanity) that for every kumada there are 10 or 100 silent kumadas that play games but never post. Generally speaking the site's usage statistics bear this out.

sup lil cuz

unraged version of the posts that i was (wrongly) banne for without any verboten words that we apparently aren't allowed to use no matter how accurate they are or something i don't even know it's late.

1) Zoe Quinn is an extremely bad person on a number of levels. She has done truly repulsive things. Only some of them fall under the auspices of "corruption" but that is irrelevant to my personal assessment of her character.
1A) My personal assessment of Zoe Quinn's character has absolutely no meaning or significance to anyone or anything besides my personal assessment of Zoe Quinn's character and whether I would recommend any endeavor she was associated with, be it a game jam or Crash Override or whatever. Obviously, everyone sane understands that this does not mean that I justify any immoral and illegal harassment of Zoe Quinn, or that I think Zoe Quinn's terrible actions reflect in any way upon all women. That would be insane.

2) Anti-GamerGate slung just as much shit as GamerGate and actually slung even more shit than GamerGate and this is something I can actually prove to anyone interested in listening and seeing evidence. This is all especially extra true if you restrict your definition of the amorphous ill defined blob of #GamerGate to to people actually vocal and active in the movement, not random 15 year old trolls and psychopaths using it as cover to commit their vile digital atrocities who may debatably have used the hashtag once. If those people have to stand for all of #GamerGate then "all PIV intercourse is rape" lady has to stand for all Feminists. Because that's equally fare.
2A) If you want to talk about "playing the victim" you should see the victim mentality on Zoe Quinn. The best way I can think of to describe the Anita Sarkeesians, Zoe Quinns, and Brianna Wu's of the world is "driven from their homes, by courtesy car, to the TV Studio". In other words the reprehensible harassment that "drove them into hiding" has--while still reprehensible and unacceptable behavior--really had no more concrete effect than making them richer, more famous, and more culturally relevant.
2B) In that respect, their harassers have failed miserably. I don't feel bad for the harassers, because they are scum. But...in the respect that they have poisoned the well, functionally eradicating anything said by anyone even adjacent to GamerGate, they have done far worse than "fail" in their odious endeavor. They have shit the goddamn bed. Their actions against these people have made it politically unacceptable to even dislike these people in public, what can indeed be described only as a "revolting development".

3) Related to Points 1 and 2, a combatant in a "culture war", a "culture warrior", i.e. a participant in an internet wide online shit-fight in which no one can remain clean, is not a "victim" or a "target" and it's wrong to characterize them as such. Zoe Quinn is not a "GamerGate target" or a "GamerGate victim". Was she subject to harassment? Yes. But she dished out just as much as she took. Her frankly inexplicable assault on The Fine Young Capitalists' feminist game jam is a prominent example.
3A) I don't want to care about Zoe Quinn, at all. I don't want to ever type one word about her again. But it is her ongoing hagiography, her canonization into the sainthood of video games feminists that makes it hard if not impossible to let the repugnant topic of "Literally Who" fall to rest forever. No person should become thus canonized as a result of actions that were so repulsive and so wrong. No one should do things that are that wrong and become "sanctified" by their wrongdoing. Even in a world full of gross injustice, it rankles painfully.

4) It is, as a general point, wrong for anyone no matter who they are to profit from someone else's suffering. I include psychologists, certain types of lawywers, and to a much lesser extent doctors when I speak of the wrongness of this on general principle. And yes, this includes Crash Overdrive if it is a "for profit business". If it isn't, then well cool. Believe it or not I'm still unclear on this point.

5) Crash Override is suspect because of the people it is associated with, because of their history as bad and duplicitous actors, because of their problematic and harmful rhetoric, and also potentially and quite separately because of point 4, that I find it to be wrong on general principle for anyone to profit from the suffering others.

That is all I intended to say initially and I think that a certain distance from the heat of the moment has allowed me to say it well...less heatedly.

I don't like #GamerGate, I have never liked #GamerGate, I don't want to like #GamerGate, because people vaguely associated with #GamerGate have said repulsive things and because many more people "in" #GamerGate are just kind of...obnoxious...but to be honest this entire incident has forced me to become de facto, a kind of a #GamerGate supporter, meaning of course that I am someone who condemns personal threats, supports women in gaming, and is against biased and corrupt games journalism.

To be perfectly honest: the experience of having my own voice silenced for having the "wrong opinion" (yes, I admit that I argued more vitriolically than I should have, that I should in hindsight have taken a step back and composed myself and proceeded with more civility but the problem is that while I was the only one called out for this, I was not the only one doing this) has more or less forced me to support those who have had their voices silenced by being on the wrong side of this incredibly emotional hot-button political issue.

Oh, and I don't have an especially big head, actually, but I do have pretty big hair. Please carry on with your odd game of sexual innuendo.